Bee/Honey is not a good metaphor

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#1

Hive/Bee/Honey is not a good methaphor for a blockchain

Proposal Information

Proposal description: change the general methaphor nomenclature
The motivation of “honey” as something very sweet and tasty with gold color leads to a wrong methaphor of hive/bees where presumebly there is a bee-queen controlling it. Better to abandom this food like ecosystem and stick in ideas more related with the values of blockchain descentralization and open network. My proposal is to change the methaphor from hive/bee/honey to forest/tree/leaf with green as basic color

Proposal Rationale
Bees are a centralized system with a queen controling the hive, what is just opposed to descentralized blockchain philosophy. On the other hand forest is a descentralized ecosystem that covers all around, mixes different tree species, all are welcome and share a common canopy of leaves given oxigen to the atmosphere. And of course, green is more relaxing than gold and indeed more natural. A better metaphor

Expected duration or delivery date (if applicable):
The time required to modify logos, regenarate contracts and set up convertion tools beteen HNY to LEAF, or perhaps “HOJA” as in spanish or “HERB” starting with “H” too. Couriously, the icon for this proposal is a herb leaf :herb:

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#2

Hey pepe, thanks for the suggestion. I personally think going away from Bee and Honey doesnt feel right. I think the idea is that we are a hive, without a queen bee. Without any central authority. As a hive, we work hard, together, to improve the ecosystem. We form small sub groups known as swarms in the hive, and all contribute in different ways. In the end, we create honey, which is our reward for all the hard work! Also, 1Hive has a very nice ring to it, because as I said before, when it comes to it, we are one, and our purpose being, to grow as a community, by all contributing.

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#3

I think the idea to use Bee/Honey/Hive is very good.
Its something innovative and different that might stick with people.
Look at the success of PancakeSwap

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#4

Personally I like to look at it from the perspective that the queen bee is ‘the greater good’. As @Rayne has said bees work together. There are the worker bees and the drones. They all work together to make progress for the queen, in this case the DAO. All of these bees and their work together form the hive.

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#5

The Queen is perhaps decentralization-incarnate – it is the manifestation of true decentralization; it is the reason why we do what we do. Honey is simply the reward we receive for contributing to the hive and assisting the world in its transition to complete decentralization.

So, in a way, yes we are controlled by the Queen. We are consumed by the blissful idea of complete decentralization or the absence of centralized power. And we would do anything in our power as a hive to realize that vision.

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#6

I disagree with the proposal.

The hive is decentralised. Indeed (source = https://sciencing.com/happens-queen-bee-dies-5159216.html)

The most common causes of the sudden death of a queen bee are disease, predator attack or beekeeper error. When a queen bee dies suddenly the colony is upset but acts quickly to rear a new one.

Also, the Queen is not really a ‘royal majesty’ in our human sense. She’s forced to lay eggs all her life, without doing much else. It’s a pretty hard job.

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#7

Can’t imagine myself giving birth until I die. LOL. @pepeoh333 proposal aren’t bad but @Rayne analogy and explanation makes more sense IMHO.

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#8

Interesting observation, but even in the real world i don’t think the queen controls the hive, the queen’s job is to reproduce to ensure survival. The swarms just feed her. The queen does not dictate anything, bees already know their roles from birth.

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#9

Without bees there will be a lot less forests/trees/herbs and oxygen. Without pollination we can forget about some fruits, berries and veggies. Bees do a lot of work behind the scenes. And i think we have a perfect metaphor as a community, which can be small, outlooked, but productive and vital at the same time :honeybee:

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#10

pls, let me add some points: imho the hive/bee/honey have been chosen for the golden aspect of honey and the current fashion of food coins. Of course it is a matter of taste or sympathy, but honey is also cloying and sticky and to walk near the hives you need protection, if they get nervous they can make a mortal attack on innocents nearby. Not forgetting its close relatives, the wasps that nobody likes. Undoubtedly everything has pros and cons, but choosing honey just for the fashion of food and because it looks like liquid gold, I don’t think it’s very original. The forest/tree/leaf I think would be a more universal analogy and of course the typical color of money is green. tks

#11

This is not true. These analogies were used by Seed members way before food coins were “fashionable”.

The rationale for using Bees/Honey etc. as the metaphor is because bees form a superorganism, which is what we strive for 1hive to be.

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#12

so you want to change the most valued food symbol of humanity and change it to a friggin herb.
Change the most valued food on earth which is honey and change it to a low level food token name?

Honey is the BEST name there is.

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#13

BTW the queen gets killed and she does not control the hive.

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#14

Good evening Pepe, I personally think the Bee / Honey concept is adequate for the following reasons:

  • The name of the coin and all the related expression are consistent / Changing them would take ages (DAO) and would impact directly our brand recognition / identity
  • Easy to be pronounced and understood in any Language / We are a Global Community
  • The Hive is the result of a joint work for a better and more efficient and secure ecosystem
  • Honey has an intrinsic / common value as nutritive / protective / sensual / fluid / natural / healthy / result of hard work … These values are directly applicable to the ecosystem 1Hive Community is building
  • Honey is neutral / inclusive
  • Honey is Money and much more …ey words to reinforce the value of Honey

These are few ideas I want to share before going to bed !! Take care Guys / Good night from Chile!!

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#15

maybe, but a hive is a vulnerable central location, and bees are slaves army with a single sting bite.

#16

yes I know your points, but a hive is a vulnerable central location, and bees are slaves army with a single sting bite. Honey is not universally liked, there is a huge movement against any sweet sugar (zero-zero food) that industry overdose to get adictive products. It’s a fact. What attracts me here is xDai low fees and fast transactions (this is universally liked). “honey” is disgusting for a blockchain name.

#17

How do you say a hive is discentralized if it’s a single building to protect the queen and her eggs ? Very easy to attack if discovered. Ok, the queen can be replaced, but the hive where she stay is just ine. The parallel would be an all in one server blockchain !!

#18

not only bees do pollinization, many other insects and birds do too. Bees are overvalued by its industry, like the sugar that food industry try to promote as “vital” for human life: it’s a lie, pls read “Sugar Blues” book and all sweet becames sickly sweet.

#19

if first impression matters, bee queen is a bad first impression …

#20

Im sorry you feel that way

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